(LSJ) Cooling mods - Option B + Dual Pass, HE, etc...

[BAR-AIR]

Just using Adel clamps on the bottom (may change) gives it some play but may need something a little most rigid don't know if they will hold up. The top and most of my other mounts are 1 1/2" SS "U" clamps covered with 3/8" fuel line. Not sure what the ZZP h/e is.....
BAR

 

[smithvmi]

the ZZP heat exchanger / intercooler

 

[rallyracer]

John got a good laugh. That nipple looking thing in the image is indeed just a bolt. I confirmed late last night looking on my car.

It's a bolt to secure the dipstick tube to the manifold.

 

[BAR-AIR]

Good Morning,
The intercooler (heat/exchanger) is from Silicone Intake Systems I could not find one that fit into the Goblin at ZZPerformance (all of theirs are pretty big). It is a Water to Air Intercooler Radiator 26x7x2 type 118 with a remote inline filler cap 3/4" which I added. Quality wise I think it is better than the ZZPerformance and the Derale coolers that I tried. It was cheaper also....
BAR

 

[rallyracer]

Good Morning,
The intercooler (heat/exchanger) is from Silicone Intake Systems I could not find one that fit into the Goblin at ZZPerformance (all of theirs are pretty big). It is a Water to Air Intercooler Radiator 26x7x2 type 118 with a remote inline filler cap 3/4" which I added. Quality wise I think it is better than the ZZPerformance and the Derale coolers that I tried. It was cheaper also....
BAR

Not cheap, but this is what the Atom 2 (LSJ) had as an upgraded option for better cooling. I'm not sure if it's worth the $950.00.

ARIEL ATOM 2 HEAT EXCHANGER BY DDMWorks

http://www.ddmworks.com/Ariel-Atom-2-heat-exchanger-by-DDMWorks_p_396.html

 

[smithvmi]

Rally do you mean the one on the side of the manifold or the one on the top, (red or green)?

 

[rallyracer]

Rally do you mean the one on the side of the manifold or the one on the top, (red or green)?

Red

 

[smithvmi]

Finally putting that to bed feels good. Thanks rally.

 

[BAR-AIR]

Price on the intercooler set up less then $200. Even with the shipping.
BAR

 

[Justinreed7]

View attachment 273 View attachment 272 View attachment 272 Good Evening,
I guess maybe I am missing something with regards to the secondary nipple for the reservoir. I have the ZZPerformance super charger kit also. It doesn't have the nipple in the red circle above. It does have the nipple in the green circle but my understanding is to put a piece of 3/16" vacuum hose and connect to the MAP sensor?
Actually with my ZZPerformance Kit nothing is even mentioned about adding a secondary reservoir they just ran a "T" in the line for a fill tube with a cap. With my instructions here is my mock up for my air to water intercooler I just ran a remote fill tube with a 13 psi relief cap. (Adam's ZZPerformance Goblin has the same capped "T" line with out a secondary reservoir.
THX, BAR

Why would you place the heat exchanger over the header where the most heat will be?

 

[BAR-AIR]

Putting the heat exchanger over the header is not the optimum placement I agree. For that matter, putting the heat exchanger anywhere in the engine compartment is not the best of places. With the amount or lack of space I am trying to put the largest intercooler possible for functionality with out it looking like it was an afterthought. I am still trying to work out a temp barrier between the intercooler and the entire exhaust system (my car is also going to need a catalytic converter -more heat-). In addition, I am going to have to rework the rear deck lid anyway so at minimum an upper air scoop to direct more air flow through the engine compartment. I also changed and raised the fuse block mount so that I can also run an air duct under it directly into the intercooler.
I'm building a little ahead of the curve (Adam is still trying his best to catch up with instructions and parts) other than the factory cars I think I'm the first customer kit to this stage. If you have any suggestions I would like to hear them. I'm a one man shop so sometimes the obvious solution is not so obvious.
THX, Bruce

 

[Adam]

I am still trying to work out a temp barrier between the intercooler and the entire exhaust system

The heat shield that goes over the stock exhaust manifold works very well. It seems to be a double layer material. You might want to look into that for a custom heat shield for your system.

The water to air intercooler system is something we are working on. Behind the engine is definitely the best place to fit a really large heat exchanger. The car is so small and the parts are so tightly packed that it is a challenge fitting more pieces. We are glad Bruce is doing it this way because we have considered doing it like that but we don't have the time or resources to try out every configuration.

We are trying a different design on our turbo build. We've added a water to air intercooler right above the intake and we are plumbing the water through aluminum tubes to the front of the car. At the front we have to run a smaller heat exchanger than Bruce but we can capture more fresh air. Our heat exchanger will either mount low like the Ariel Atom exchanger that Rally linked to or above the battery, just under the nose. We are considering making an optional scoop on top of the nose to get air to the exhanger or ducts near the control arms if the heat exchanger is mounted down low.

We aren't sure if it will be better to run a small heat exchanger with better air at the front or a higher capacity heat exchanger at the bacl. One thing is for sure though, that big heat exchanger on the back of Bruce's car looks very cool.

 

[rallyracer]

I could see a front scoop like this as a possible triple function. It could provide some front down force, direct air for brake cooling with the proper folds on the ends and for directing air to a front HE.

 

[TomsGarage]

I could see a front scoop like this as a possible triple function. It could provide some front down force, direct air for brake cooling with the proper folds on the ends and for directing air to a front HE.

**** that stance got me more excited than it should have, this is the look I am going for with my car. I looked up the specs for this car:


18x11 ET25 rear
18x9.5 ET22 front
AdaptitUSA adatpers (standard thickness. 1.3" I believe)

315/30/18 rear, 275/35/18 front Toyo R888's

 

[smithvmi]

It looks sweet. Maybe the 18's and monster widths are overkill, but I can't deny it looks badass.

 

[rallyracer]

**** that stance got me more excited than it should have, this is the look I am going for with my car. I looked up the specs for this car:


18x11 ET25 rear
18x9.5 ET22 front
AdaptitUSA adatpers (standard thickness. 1.3" I believe)

315/30/18 rear, 275/35/18 front Toyo R888's

It's a sexy look, no doubt!!

Maybe a 17x8 front, 17x9 rear would look good too.

 

[AleX1/9]

Looks like we've got a few different ideas going on where to mount the intercooler heat exchanger. Is there anything stopping us from mounting a heat exchanger onto the front of the radiator like Lonny did with his AirCon system?



This is the most appealing spot for me

 

[northvibe]

The pump for the HE, can it put the that much more fluid that far and back? I guess that would be my only concern having it that far.

 

[Lonny]

I think the heat exchanger in front of the radiator is a great place. The pump should not have any problem moving the coolant.

 

[JeffsGoblin]

Working on some plumbing for the SC now... for those with fluid dynamics degrees or those smarter than me... will this work ok?