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V1 No Start, Was Working

glantz

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Backstory:
Before final taping and install of the main wire harness I wanted to test that it worked (that way if there were issues I wouldn't have to cut tape to access the harness). I taped rings every 12 inches or so to keep it organized. While testing, I discovered a no crank situation caused by a couple of issues. My first problem was easy, I didn't have the 50amp cable plugged in to the battery. Once I plugged that in it gave me everything except crank. From there I isolated the second issue to a ground I missed from the BCM. I soldered that into the rest of the grounds up front on the pedal box and boom! Fired right up! Success! I tested over a couple days to make sure it was good while I worked on other things. Worked perfectly! Pulled codes and just got the usual codes. Success!

Current Problem:
Now here comes the bad... I did the final taping, routing and zip tying of the harness in it's final position, made it look nice and neat. Connected everything back up. I went to fire it up and wasn't getting display on the instrument cluster... oops forgot the plug to the cluster. Plugged that in, tried again, cluster works but no crank almost like the 50amp plug was unplugged (again). Inspected that, it was plugged in but I did see that the large multi-plug was not fastened all the way on the back of the BCM. I got my 7mm and tightened it down. Went to the key again, got fuel pump, butterfly movement, tried to start, starter activated for a half a second, then... POP! Now there's nothing. I don't get fuel pump, I don't get butterfly movement on intake, I don't get a start (of course) but the kicker is I don't get communication at DLC anymore either. I'm really hoping I didn't fry the electronics when I had a partial connection on the BCM plug, or when I plugged it back in.

There is one possible hint and that is I now get a "power steering" message on the display. Don't think I was getting that before. I could be way off but I feel like some others had faulty EPS electronics and it possibly caused no start and communication issues. Besides that, I have no idea where to go from here. I really don't think this is wiring or ground as I really didn't do much to it from the time it worked and didn't. I went over all the grounds and data wires during my first issues and everything checked out at the time. I'll check again just to rule it out but I think that's probably not it. I just tapped a couple places, routed and plugged back in and all of that was in the front. The ground lugs were never removed while taping and routing. None of the engine side was moved or modified during that time either. All of the taping and routing was only in the front. I used a probe and checked all fuses in front and back. When I turn the key I can hear relays on the BCM and that's about it. I'm in over my head here now. I can't believe it. It was working great. Thought I was done. I was so thrilled and excited that I didn't have any major electrical issues and was getting pretty close to being done . Now this.. Ugh!
 
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Thank you! I did have my donor info but accidently put it in "about me" instead of signature. :) It's updated. I'll run another check on the data wiring next. It's just throwing me off since it was working then stopped working in such a sudden way. Feels like something blew. It's definitely possible that something was shorted during the taping and routing though and it's a place to start. That's a very helpful document.
 
G
You will likely fight loose connections for a while. The wiring connections are really not designed for the stress we put them through, taking them on and off. I eventually had to go through all of the connections on the fuse box and re-spring each individual wire to ensure good contact. A couple of weeks ago I had to mess with one of the bcm connectors due to the hazard lights working intermittently.

I would expect this to be another loose connection problem, but can't say for sure that you didn't shoot a fuse or something similar. If the data path checks out, re-check all of your fuses next especially the ones on the BCM.

Are you getting a security light on the instrument cluster?

At some point, you may have to just start tracing power through and see where it's lost.
 
Ark :D
Power steering message on the cluster indicates lack of data communication. Check that you're getting power to your power steering module.
 
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I just did some first checks. I see 61.2 Ohms on DLC pins 6 and 14. I also checked power plug to power steering and getting 12.24 (think battery is getting slightly low from all the testing but I am getting power).
 
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Forgot to answer on the security light. I get one for a couple seconds when I first put the key in but it turns off. Figured that was normal. After that it's just ABS, Traction, check engine and TP.
 
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My scanner just presents a communication error. I think it's getting power at the DLC. It automatically turns on my scanner when I plug it in but no communication. I have tried several times.
 
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So just as a test I removed both plugs from the ECM, tried to start just to see if messages changed and I get the same behavior. No change at all in messages on the cluster or anything different. Which means ECM is not responding when it is plugged in. I should probably be careful with what I’m doing while testing to not damage things further but I was just curious if unplugging changed anything. Sure seems like bad ECM or very least it’s not getting power. Again the suddenness of it all makes me think something blew but I have yet to find anything. I have already checked every singe fuse but I will do so again to be sure. I’ll have to find diagrams to understand how it gets power.

If it is the ECM what does replacing that look like? What options do I have? I know there are some online places that will program one before shipping. There’s dealer of course but I probably need to bring it in and it’s only stage 1 right now. Maybe pick and pull but then all the modules would need to match, correct? Would it be possible to grab ecm, tcm, and bcm from another doner and drop those in? I think the instrument cluster is interchangeable as long as year and trim are the same, right? I’ll keep troubleshooting. I just don’t have a great feeling about the ECM at the moment. It would be great to know what caused it. Could drop in a new one and blow that too. Sigh
 
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Start with this and check all of the feeds to the ECM and the ground.
 

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Thank you so much for digging that up for me! My manual doesn’t have that detail. Very helpful. I have my work cut out that’s for sure. I’ll try some things and report back.
 
Ross
Sounds like when my power steering module stopped passing the data. Replacing the power steering module ($60 ish from the car recycler) fixed that.
 
G
Sounds like when my power steering module stopped passing the data. Replacing the power steering module ($60 ish from the car recycler) fixed that.
That actually crossed my mind as well just from reading around on here. I’ll have to figure out a way to isolate the issue. I’m reaching limit of my electrical troubleshooting skills. Lol! Hey, on the plus side I’m learning a lot!
 
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Sounds like when my power steering module stopped passing the data. Replacing the power steering module ($60 ish from the car recycler) fixed that.
Did you ever measure the resistance of the data circuit? If the psm fails to pass data I don’t think it will read 60 ohms.
 
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