Out of storage and won’t start… ideas?

[MisterDave]

I recently move from Rhode Island to North Carolina. It’s been two years and I’m finally getting the time to enjoy the goblin again. When I arrived it started and ran perfectly. I started it every now and then but didn’t drive it…Yesterday I had some time to check it over and it won’t start.
dash lights up like normal.
fuel pump does not start and fuel gauge doesn’t move at all. There is gas in it.
when I turn the key to start nothing happens. Doesn’t even try to start.
one random time the fuel pump engaged and it started right up but only ran for 5 seconds and then stopped.

Battery is 12.7 and was on a tender.
Even tried a jump box just in case
Cleaned ground contacts that connect to the frame under the fuse box.
I don’t see anything out of place.

Should I replace the fuel pump fuse?
What else should I check?
Wouldn’t the starter try to start even if the fuel pump didn’t engage?

 

[MisterDave]

The donor was an 09 as/tc

 

[Gtstorey]

Sounds more like a loose connection somewhere. Sort of common since all of the ECM/bcm/fusebox connectors aren’t designed to be handled as much as you have to do on a Goblin.?But which connector is a guess without some thorough diagnostics.?I would try wiggling all the connections and see if something comes alive.

But this is just a guess. Could be a different ground corroded, Or a failed module.

Do you have a code reader to connect, both for codes and to see if the modules are talking?

 

[MisterDave]

Sounds more like a loose connection somewhere. Sort of common since all of the ECM/bcm/fusebox connectors aren’t designed to be handled as much as you have to do on a Goblin.?But which connector is a guess without some thorough diagnostics.?I would try wiggling all the connections and see if something comes alive.

But this is just a guess. Could be a different ground corroded, Or a failed module.

Do you have a code reader to connect, both for codes and to see if the modules are talking?

I don’t have a reader…. But I’d like to have one…. DO you have one you like? Any code reader recommendations?

 

[Gtstorey]

All depends on budget and needs and abilities. I have one that reads all of the modules and can perform most of the special functions. But it pushes $1000. As a start you can use one of the $100 basic code readers. Or a loaner from parts place.

 

[G Atsma]

A code reader can be had from Amazon for about $30

 

[MisterDave]

 

[Gtstorey]

Not sure what to with that. It appears that maybe there are issues with the power steering module which can affect the high speed data. But I'm not sure how the dash knows if there are issues with the EPS without the high speed data. Maybe the Low Speed data is still functional?

 

[MisterDave]

Not sure what to with that. It appears that maybe there are issues with the power steering module which can affect the high speed data. But I'm not sure how the dash knows if there are issues with the EPS without the high speed data. Maybe the Low Speed data is still functional?

I can disconnect the power steering and the message goes away. But it still doesn’t start.

 

[Gtstorey]

Depending on how you disconnect the EPS, you are disconnecting the high speed data wires and I would expect it to have difficulty communicating since one of the resistors is in the EPS.

But I doubt this is your main no start problem when it's hooked up, but not impossible. Again, it's likely a loose connection or bad ground. At some point you will have to try and diagnose this or try to wiggle wires until it starts. I would start with cleaning all connections, every ground, not just the one by the fuse block. And again a code read

And this may be more than one problem. If the connections all seem good, then I would probably work my way from the starter back to see at what point things are failing. Is it getting a start signal to the starter? If not, is the starter relay getting signal? If not, is the ECM generating a start signal? Etc, Etc, ......

Playing a guessing game on "it won't start" over the internet will take forever. Hard enough on a stock vehicle. Very very hard on something modified like the Goblin.

 

[Rttoys]

There’s no check engine light. Gotta start there.

 

[Desert Sasqwatch]

2 year old gas in the tank? Probably not good to try to run through a FI system - could cause a plugged fuel filter. Probably not related to your no start, but something that should be drained and replaced to avoid any fuel issues.

Did a critter chew up your wiring while in storage? Shorted wiring can cause funny things to happen, at least until the short either blows a fuse or becomes a permanent open (burnt wires). A close look-see at your wiring looking for any bare copper showing and wiggling things, as has been suggested, is a best first step. Do one section at a time to help isolate if any change in indication or function occurs. Electrical gremlins can be tough to isolate - just ask Jeremy (@Ark :D).

 

[Gtstorey]

There’s no check engine light. Gotta start there.

You are right, no check engine light on key on that I can see. A lot of issues going on here, which again pushes back to lose connections, bad grounds or damaged wiring. Or maybe data wire issues. This is why I keep asking about reading codes. As much to see if the data is working as about any particular code it will read.

 

[MisterDave]

You are right, no check engine light on key on that I can see. A lot of issues going on here, which again pushes back to lose connections, bad grounds or damaged wiring. Or maybe data wire issues. This is why I keep asking about reading codes. As much to see if the data is working as about any particular code it will read.

I am getting a code reader tonight. I will update if I find any codes.

 

[baustin]

Battery is 12.7 and was on a tender

Where are you measuring voltage? I once had a loose battery cable that prevented my good battery voltage from getting to the engine/starter. When I checked voltage at the fuse box it was 7ish volts but on the battery directly it was 12.6+ volts.

 

[Gtstorey]

I should be saying loose and/or corroded every time I've said loose connection. Or maybe just change it to Bad Connection, doesn't matter if the positive or negative side of the load.

 

[MisterDave]

Where are you measuring voltage? I once had a loose battery cable that prevented my good battery voltage from getting to the engine/starter. When I checked voltage at the fuse box it was 7ish volts but on the battery directly it was 12.6+ volts.

I measured directly from the battery

 

[Gtstorey]

Check at the stud on the fuse box to bare metal on the engine block. It won't be 100% check for good connections if voltage matches battery but can indicate problems if it doesn't match.

 

[MisterDave]

Scan tool:
Pscm
C0845-01
U2105-00

bcm
U2105-00
B1325-03
B2645-05
U211-00
U2125-00

ipc
B1325-03
U2107-00
U2129-00

tdm
B3060-00
B3935-57

should I try clearing the codes?

 

[Gtstorey]

Are those codes permanent, historical, current or pending? Or more importantly, which are current/pending?

I would screen shot the screen or take a picture and post. Then clear and see what comes back.