Surging Idle Problems

Karter2026

Karter2026

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askiles said:
I will give that a try. Though wouldn’t that give me a code?? At this point I’ll try anything. Lol
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Not always. I had a bad MAF in my donor that would not idle at all and at 1500rpm sounded and acted like a dead hole. unplugged the MAF smoothed out and idled fine. Replaced it with a new sensor and no problem. Never threw a code for MAF. I had knock, misfire, o2, and cat codes but no MAF
 
askiles

askiles

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Karter2026 said:
Not always. I had a bad MAF in my donor that would not idle at all and at 1500rpm sounded and acted like a dead hole. unplugged the MAF smoothed out and idled fine. Replaced it with a new sensor and no problem. Never threw a code for MAF. I had knock, misfire, o2, and cat codes but no MAF
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Understood. I will give it a try this morning. If that doesn’t work my tuner wants to mess with the tube so the PCM will be coming out and getting shipped to him. He says he can change the tube where at idle it is not trying to adjust AF to anything specific. We will see if that works.
 
askiles

askiles

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Karter2026 said:
Not always. I had a bad MAF in my donor that would not idle at all and at 1500rpm sounded and acted like a dead hole. unplugged the MAF smoothed out and idled fine. Replaced it with a new sensor and no problem. Never threw a code for MAF. I had knock, misfire, o2, and cat codes but no MAF
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So I had it running, surging idle, unplugged the MAF, no change at all. Does this mean it’s more than likely a bad MAF?? How can I test that??
 
askiles

askiles

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Briann1177 said:
No change with the MAF unplugged means it's not a MAF issue.
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Got it. I swapped out the MAF real quick to confirm that and yeah, no change, still a surging idle. I drove it up to the gas station to fill it, it drives decent, but when at idle it still surges. Pulling the PCM and sending it back to Intense to fiddle with. Fingers crossed!!
 
askiles

askiles

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So on my code reader I can monitor certain things. I was viewing the MAF and throttle position on it, and revved it a few times, and the value on the MAF doesn’t real change much. Does this look normal??? Lemme know what you guys think. Thanks.

 
BaltimoreHokie

BaltimoreHokie

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askiles said:
I will give that a try. Though wouldn’t that give me a code?? At this point I’ll try anything. Lol
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Yeah, thats a good suggestion. One thought is that you could swap the original tune on it, then swap the injectors back in. The pulley wouldnt matter unless you put it into gear as the waste gate / bypass should be open.

A lot of work to see if its the tune but may be worth it if you keep having issues.
 
askiles

askiles

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BaltimoreHokie said:
Yeah, thats a good suggestion. One thought is that you could swap the original tune on it, then swap the injectors back in. The pulley wouldnt matter unless you put it into gear as the waste gate / bypass should be open.

A lot of work to see if its the tune but may be worth it if you keep having issues.
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Right. Lol. I am sending the PCM back so he can play with the tune a bit and hopefully make idle good. Everything else seems to be fine when driving it. If that doesn’t work we will have to try something like that.
 
ctuinstra

ctuinstra

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BaltimoreHokie said:
Yeah, thats a good suggestion. One thought is that you could swap the original tune on it, then swap the injectors back in. The pulley wouldnt matter unless you put it into gear as the waste gate / bypass should be open.

A lot of work to see if its the tune but may be worth it if you keep having issues.
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That is a good idea. He may not be able to swap tunes without HP Tuners. Swapping the injectors would tell a story but he would NOT want to really drive it since it would be tuned for the wrong injectors and would want to run lean, but it would be fine at idle just for testing.
 
ctuinstra

ctuinstra

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askiles said:
Right. Lol. I am sending the PCM back so he can play with the tune a bit and hopefully make idle good. Everything else seems to be fine when driving it. If that doesn’t work we will have to try something like that.
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If they do get it sorted for you, I would love to see what they do to fix it. I'll bet they raise the idle speed among a few other things. I wish you were closer so I could at least read your tune.
 
askiles

askiles

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ctuinstra said:
If they do get it sorted for you, I would love to see what they do to fix it. I'll bet they raise the idle speed among a few other things. I wish you were closer so I could at least read your tune.
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Fingers crossed the tune works. I may get HP Tuners in the near future and if I do I will send you the tune to take a look at.
 
askiles

askiles

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UPDATE:

Intense sent me another PCM with a revised tune...car runs exactly the same. :-( Not sure what to do at this point. Waiting on them to get back to me with some suggestions.
 
ctuinstra

ctuinstra

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For a test, do you have the OEM injectors? Try the 42lbs injectors just to see what it does at idle. It will tell your sure if we are on the right page.
 
askiles

askiles

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ctuinstra said:
For a test, do you have the OEM injectors? Try the 42lbs injectors just to see what it does at idle. It will tell your sure if we are on the right page.
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I do. I will go ahead and swap those in today to see if that changes anything. I’ll keep you updates.
 
askiles

askiles

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ctuinstra said:
For a test, do you have the OEM injectors? Try the 42lbs injectors just to see what it does at idle. It will tell your sure if we are on the right page.
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So I swapped the injectors out for the stock ones and it still surged at idle. Completely lost now.
 
JERMzSS

JERMzSS

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I had this problem when I installed mtb2.8 pulley and 60s with the canned tune. The tune is the problem. You need to have someone local retune it with the goblin intake attached.
 
George

George

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You can swap parts all day long. You need to find some one with knowledge of Cobalts and get ti tuned to the car.
Can tunesare always hit and miss.

Brad
 
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